I got these as a cheap set on my old car that I use for commuting and runs to the tip. I didn't want to spend a lot as the car has nearly 200,000 miles on the clock and a new set of tryes are probably worth more than the car.....but it just keeps going. I was very surprised at how good these tyres are for the money, they offer excellent grip in both the wet and dry, are quiet and have done about 20,000 miles so far and have plenty of life left in them. They seem to be the holy grail of budget tyres as they offer good grip, low noise and seem to be lasting well. They may not be a track day tyre but for a family estate they are excellent.